We are under the pressure, the influence, of all these illusory concepts. Spiritual knowledge removes all this wrong. What you’re posing in this world, it’s wrong, illusion. You are separate from that. Entire world is a projection out of your spontaneous Presence. If Presence is not there, who will talk about the world? Who will talk about the ‘I’, ‘you’, ‘he’, ‘she’, ‘it’, nothing. Who will talk about the Brahman, Atman, Paramatman, God? Who will talk about the Master and disciple? All these concepts are there. You’re no more Master, you’re no more disciple. No God is there, you have given birth to God. Siddharameshwar says ‘I am father of God’.
Q: Maharaj, Presence is also nothing?
You have to use some words, without which you can’t talk with each other. You are giving the meaning of Presence, like ‘I’, ‘you’, ‘he’, ‘she’, ‘it’ created all these words. Just to have a conversation. To say ‘it’, put two lines together like this, you say ‘A’, ‘B’. All this language is created by us, just to convey, for this purpose. So, not to pay so much attention, not to be slave of literal knowledge. Literal knowledge, bookish knowledge, it has some importance up to a certain level. Who’s knowledge? Who is devotee? What identity? See, all this world is just to indicate you are Ultimate Truth. As Nisargadatta Maharaj says, remember these words, very important ‘Except your Selfless Self there is no God, no Brahman, no Atman, no Paramatman, no Master.’ Entire gist of Spirituality is in this ‘Except your Selfless Self there is no God, no Brahman, no Atman, no Paramatman, no Master’. Know yourself and be calm and quiet.
Then what do you want? Where is devotee, where is devotion? There is no ‘I’, there is no, nothing is there. So, everything is within your spontaneous Presence. The Presence is unidentified identity. Presence is, unidentified identity, it’s invisible identity, it’s anonymous identity. You can’t guess intellectually. You can’t infer. It’s the listener’s identity. Body is only a cover, just like these clothes. It’s questioners identity. To say ‘I’, to say ‘you’ Presence is required. Who will talk about knowledge, knowledge and knower is also illusion. Knowledge is illusion, knower is illusion. Listen to me. Meditator is illusion, meditation is also illusion. Come to know this. But in beginning it is required, to establish, to have some foundation. You’re asking, after knowing the Reality why you are insisting meditation? ‘After knowing the Reality, why are you insisting on meditation?’ Because, through meditation, you are inviting attention of the invisible meditator, that you are Ultimate Truth. Through meditation, you are inviting attention of the invisible meditator within you, that you are Ultimate Truth. You forgot your identity. ‘I am somebody else, I am man or woman, I am Brahman, Atman, Paramatman.’ You have accepted all these concepts. ‘I am God’, also a concept. You’re something, no? You say, ‘I am God, I am Brahma, I am Lord Shiva’, these are also concepts. To say, ‘Lord Shiva’ to say ‘Brahma’ some Presence is required. That Presence doesn’t know ‘I am Brahma, Krishna or Lord Shiva’. We have given the names, this is ‘Lord Krishna’ this is…
Bodies are different. Essence is one ‘I am’. Prior to ‘I am’ Presence is there. Through words we are indicating the listener’s Ultimate Truth. So, all experience, all experiencer, also is illusion. No experience. Because to have experience, experiencer is required. But, just for conversation, just for convincing purposes, we are using so many words. Without words you can’t talk. We have given names say devotee, devotion, deity. Devotee, devotion and deity. Devotee, devotion and deity. That’s it, all inside, you go deep and deeper you find the Selfless Self-knowledge. Reality the same, devotee the same devotion, deity same.
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