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The body is not your identity at all. Unless you accept the Reality that “the body is not your identity”, the experience of a body-form will continue to appear upon your Presence. These concepts create so much confusion, and then, the mind raises all sorts of questions. So many questions keep arising, and they are all body-based questions! I receive so many questions from seekers, and they are always body-based concepts. Melt, dissolve, demolish all your body-based concepts. This is the primary task at hand. Your problems are all body-related, arising from this human life that is only a dream: depression, worry, sadness, loneliness, feeling unloved, fearfulness, stress, dispeace, unhappiness, misery, etc, etc. We have become fearful of everything. We behave like sheep, instead of lions! We have a lot of tension. There is no peacefulness, or blissfulness. And, we are always fearful of death. All these illusory concepts are to be demolished. Demolish all your concepts! This is the main goal of spirituality.
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Sri Ramakant Maharaj
Ultimate Truth
Q: Thank you so much for these broadcasts. When doing Mantra meditation should the concentration be on the words, the sound, the breath, the Master, or just Selfless Self?
Ramakant Maharaj: Just Selfless Self. Master is also with form, basically Master is formless but, in the beginning, mind does not allow you to concentrate Selfless Self directly. So, in that case you have to see the Master in body form, you can concentrate on Master and some vibrations, some waves will come inside. As matter of fact there is no difference between Master and yourself, but in spite of this mind is not accepting the reality. To make the mind accept this reality in the beginning you have to concentrate on Master or Selfless Self, Master though it is with form it is easy for concentration.
There is no difference between Master and disciple. Because we are holding human form, different human forms are there. In all bodies Spirit is one just like with all buildings all sky is one. Similarly, lakhs of beings are there so every being is having same Spirit called Brahman, Atman, Paramatmam, God, Master. Because Directly or indirectly we are considering our self as body form, so there is lot of attachment to that body form. Therefore, we are having an egoistic ‘I’. That egoistic ‘I’ is supposed to be dissolved, it is to be a humble ‘I’, not egoistic ‘I’. Try to identify, it is a very simple thing, this ‘I’ does not know it’s independent identity. It is vast, it is everywhere omnipresent, in the sense how to some people Gods or goddesses are. Master is not separate from you, so instead of playing with words – Master, God, Ultimate Truth, Maya, Brahman – through explaining or narrating, try to convince the invisible listener within you. So, one principle is that there is Selfless Self which is the ultimate truth you are. So why is Naam Mantra, or Master required? Because you forgot your identity, you treat this dream as true dream. Everyday there is a different dream, but dreams are not true. Similarly, this is a long dream. As we are treating this dream as true therefore to discard all these illusionary concepts you have to undergo meditation.
So many questions are asked, for those unable to come to India or Nasik whether mantra is compulsory. So, my reply is that Mantra is a word, came from lineage to lineage, holding some importance in Sanskrit and creating some vibrations. It is not compulsory if you have strong devotion with words of Master’s that except myself there is no Brahman, Atman, Paramatmam. Myself not in egoistic sense but formless ‘myself’. But these are words, if there is such full faith within you of a Master who is teaching you then mantra is not necessary. Mantra is only media, creating atmosphere, and through mantra you are reminding yourself. ‘Aham Brahmasmi’ is also mantra, and spontaneous awakening is required that ‘I am Brahman, Brahman I am’. Then originality will come out with the result that at time of leaving the body there should not be any dream. Why is spirituality required, why is a Master required, why are books required? Because there is no peacefulness, no happiness. Since we are holding body always tension is there, fear of death is there, so to come out of these illusionary concepts spirituality is required. Spirituality is a concept. To say ‘I am Brahman’ is also a concept, an illusionary concept. But It is a concept based on sattva guna, a good concept, through which you can identify yourself. After identification, after conviction you don’t need this exercise – not even meditation, bhajan or help of Master. Till you stand on your own feet Master is required because you consider yourself as handicapped depending upon blessings of Master or God. Master is not separate from you, but you are not having such conviction. To have this strong faith that you are Master, this process is required. Meditation is required as form of hammering. How to breathe or concentration on tip of nose, all these aids are not compulsory. If you have full confidence that I am Brahman, then nothing is required. But mind does not accept this reality easily, so all this process is necessary -so many sources, reading books, Masters words, meditation – for the principle and just to get back that original memory that I am Ultimate Truth. Brahman means ultimate truth, that you are.
Be strong. To get spiritual strength, to accept reality that you are not man, woman or any being, but you are formless. There is no past or future birth, nothing is there, no deed, no doer, only this reality needs to be absorbed in you. To absorb this reality this process is there. So, gist of all this is that except for Selfless Self nothing is there. Master is only cause, mantra is only cause. Master and disciple are same, God and devotee are one and same, just bodies are different. Mind is not accepting and always playing always with words, debates, arguments, why this, why not this. Try to convince yourself, even if you try to understand intellectually, you are not the body. It comes with a time limit. Who is acting from this body, think about it. Who is watching this dream, who is watching this world? If there is no presence in the body who will talk about the world? This body is just a dream, entire world is projected out of your Presence. If you accept this principle there is no need of anything, even mediation or bhajan are not necessary, as everything came out of nothing. Prior to beingness you were not aware of anything, not knowing anything. After leaving body what remains? What is knowledge? Just to identify yourself in real sense is knowledge. You are unknown to yourself, because of mind, ego, intellect there is confusion. No peacefulness or happiness is there, always tension, always fear. To come out of all this bad patch you have to undergo meditation, read books which give direct information. Nisargadatta Maharaj, Ramana Maharishi, Siddharameshwar Maharaj, J Krishnamurti, as all these saints were placing before people the ultimate truth. They were living the Ultimate Truth, that you are. Ultimate Truth is not separate from you, God is not separate from you, Master is not separate from you. All this process, this theory is just to convince yourself in real sense you are Brahman, you are Atman, you are Paramatman, you are God, you are Master.
This is short and sweet spiritual knowledge. If you go on talking and narrating it is meaningless you are wasting your time. Except for Selfless Self nothing is there. Why this, why that, if a child is not born why talk about its fate? If you work with mind, ego, intellect they create problems for you. I am somebody else has to be dissolved. ‘I am jnani’ is ego. ‘I am Brahman’ is ego. Brahman does not have specific identity, it is like the sky. It does not have any identity, ‘I am Indian sky, American sky or Russian sky. Sky is sky everywhere, so Brahman is Brahman everywhere.
Q: Please is it possible to clarify. Master says this is the last terminus, and Selfless Self not separate from us. It is inner Master. So we stay with Mantra till leaving last breath or till spontaneous conviction is reached? There is no wish to leave Ranjit Ashram, so we keep with sadhana always? Thank you.
M: Make sadhana anywhere in the world. Sometimes it’s not possible due to physical, age, financial, mental or other problems not come to India. You don’t have to come to Ranjit Ashram all the time, wherever you are make yourself believe that except for Selfless Self nothing is there. You are reading and listening to us, so you have to accept it make in mind. Sadhana is just required to convince yourself. Suppose someone has lost their memory, and so invites the attention of that principle of their original, old memory. You are considering yourself in human form, that is not your identity at all. Sadhana is necessary till you get conviction, to remind yourself, to hammer yourself that you are not man or woman. You are Ultimate Truth, I am Brahman, Brahman I am. These are words to forget body identity, because even if you understand intellectually the body is not your identity at all. Some day you have to leave the body so there should not be another dream. Therefore, this is last terminus. Human body is a golden opportunity to identify yourself. God, Brahman, Atman, Paramatman is not separate from you. Again, and again I am placing before you the same thing. But to accept it is difficult, therefore sadhana is required, Master is required, Mantra is required. But if you have full confidence, strong confidence, nothing is required. Just like Eklavya.
In this story from Mahabharata, Eklavya’s Master refuses to give him the art of archery but he does not get depressed. The boy creates a statue of his Master, worships it and invites inner Master thus gaining exceptional knowledge of archery in absence of external Master achieved in such a way, that a Master would not teach anyone else. That can happen. Your inner Master is a very strong Master. Don’t neglect your inner Master, external Master tries to invite attention of your inner Master. As matter of fact there is no difference between external Master and inner Master except for purpose of conversation, so concentrate on invisible concentrator that you are Brahman. Through mantra you are hammering yourself, and body form consciousness will be turned to Ultimate Truth. You are changeless, you are formless, what you see as changes, or in body form is all illusion. But you have to mold yourself, in the beginning you have to make a deliberate effort. Dry discussion is not sufficient. The questioner is within you, so question yourself in calm and quiet. You will get answers inside, make your inner Master talk with you. Apparently, it seems like duality, but duality will be turned into individuality. There is no duality. But in the beginning, you have to undergo some discipline and deliberate efforts. And you have not to go anywhere in search of Master. Master is not separate from you. You are wasting your time approaching so many Masters. You are neglecting your own Master. You are underestimating and not giving any value to You.
Sri Ramakant Maharaj
A recording from Ranjit Ashram in Nashik of Sri Ramakant Maharaj in October of 2017.
V: If progress one does is not enough in one lifetime to realize, what…
M: Not necessary. Not necessary. Discard this concept. What progress? The sky is walking, any progress is there? Don’t count yourself in body-form. Progress means you are counting yourself in body-form. I am shouting that you are not body at all. You were not body at all. Now you learn something, you are a mature devotee. See one thing is there: you are to discard body concept. Because, directly, indirectly, we are counting ourself body-form, that is illusion. It is open fact, forget about spirituality. Body is not your identity at all. Whose progress? You are not body. For progress something is required, some element is required. You are formless! You are shapeless. No form is there. This form is not going to remain constant. Who wants progress? Who is the beneficiary of progress? No progress is there. Basic concept is, basic knowledge is you are not body at all, you are formless, no birth, no death. And for which, I am repeating to everybody, you must have to undergo strictly meditation, because that ego, intellect, mind creating problem for you. For small incidents you are getting irritated.
I told you the six symptoms of this realization: Forgive and forget, tolerance, then anxiety to know the reality, no attraction of the world, strong faith in the Masters and strong faith, trust. See, it’s very simple method. Now if you examine yourself, If something insult you, if somebody insult you, you are getting irritated,“Oh he has insulted me”, that means that Reality is not absorbed within you. I told so many examples. I have given the example of Eknath Maharaj, who was the great Saint of the Maharashtra. One person accepted challenge that I will make him irritated. Eknath Maharaj used to go to for bath in one lake. And this [crupido?], go to the stream and spit on him, dirty spit. He’s not irritated. He went there taken bath and came again. Again he spit. Again he taken bath, again he spit. Like that, forty times he spit on him. It is reality, I’m not talking about some story. Then he got irritated, in spite of my forty times spitting, he is not irritated. He bow down to him, “I’m sorry, forgive me.” He said, “No, you have not done anything, because of you I have got forty times bath, holy bath. Because of you I have got forty times holy bath.” He is not irritated, no anger is there. Why anger is there? Why irritation is there? There is some essence of body ego is there. Nobody is insulting anybody else, because you are not body at all. The Holder of the body is formless. Nobody can insult me. Nisargadatta Maharaj says, “If anybody says, ‘He is a foolish Saint, if anybody says he is a foolish Saint’ I am not having any deprecation. If anybody says, ‘He’s a wise Saint’, no appreciation. Because what he says I am not that. Because body is not my identity at all.” Who is insulting to whom? Body? If there is no Presence in the body, who can insult you? Because you are having subtle ego. So examine yourself. These are the tests of your spiritual knowledge. Some incidents happen. Incidents happened in Nisargadatta Maharaj, Ranjit Maharaj, Siddharameshwar Maharaj, and myself also. There are some incidents of irritation.
I’m giving one example of Nisargadatta Maharaj. Nisargadatta Maharaj came after one or two years, then some people used to come to him. So one of his senior Guru-brother came to know, he got irritated. He send message to him, Nisargadatta Maharaj, “Who has given authority to make disciples? Who has given you authority to disciple. Stop this!” And he instructed to some other devotees, “Stop this”. Not to have devotion with the Siddharameshwar Maharaj, it is not your, say authority, not your, for that. What Nisargadatta Maharaj says? “Tell them sorry, if you want take these photographs of Siddharameshwar Maharaj to him, I will put big mirror. I will make puja of that big mirror.” Number one. See what his greatness, he is not irritated. He’s not insulted. Second thing he says, “People are coming to me, I can’t say ‘Don’t come to me’”. Then what happens? The senior Guru-brother feels sorry for him. That is the greatness of the Saint. There are so many incidents, I don’t want to quote each and every one. In my also, life. When I came here, I’ll tell you, when I came here somebody had some chair, his chair, decorated chair, and I don’t know. Then one of the trustees says, “Don’t sit at that chair, you do not deserve for that.” I just ignore him, “You do not deserve to sit in that chair”. I’m not irritated. Okay, I sit down, not sit on the chair. Program was completed. Nobody knows what has happened. Then one of the other devotees make him realize, “What are doing? To whom are you insulting?” And at that time I decided that if people do not like, I will go back to Bombay. But what do I want to tell? Insult, irritation, should not be there. That is the quality, second quality. Forgive and forget and tolerance. Only dry spiritual knowledge will not help you. For petty, petty matters we are getting irritated. XYZ insulted me. XYZ scolded me. You are not so cheap! Who can insult you? Because you are not knowing your importance. You are not knowing your greatness! You have become small. See greatness is within you. There should not be any type of irritation. It’s an experience. You can tolerate it, “Okay”.
Nisargadatta Maharaj says, “If I am fortunate enough all calamities will come to me.” So spiritual devotees are supposed to be very strong, inside and outside. Only dry discussion on Brahman, Paramatman… anything happens in your practical life you must have tolerance. This is a dream! This is a dream. We are giving so much importance to the dream. In dream so many people appears before you, some people are good people, some people are bad people. Are you taking any ego? After awakening what happened to those people, good and bad? They disappear. This is a long dream. So, tolerance is most important. You must become strong and strong, spiritually strong. If something happens, then some weakness is there. You all people are mature people. Since last so many month, or so many years you are listening, reading books, it’s not enough. How you live practically? How are you enjoying spiritual knowledge in practical life? Such type of incidents are bound to be happen in your life also. Be strong, be strong! “Okay, I will overcome it!” Let them insult me, what to do?
I will give the example of Gautam Buddha also. One lady taking charges and getting irritated, and Gautam Buddha was walking near. That lady abuse him in very, very vile language, very, very vile language, but he was not irritated. Then out of irritation she says, “I abuse you in very bad language, you are not getting irritation”. What he says, “Oh mother, you are going to offer me so many things, I have not accepted it. You are going to offer me so many things, I am not accepting it. With whom it remains?” That is the quality of spiritual knowledge. When you become spiritualist, when you say whether I am realized or not, if such incidents happen in your life, you are to be firm. We are calculating, spiritual life and human life; we say you are formless, no life is there. We are counting, since that spirit click with the body we are counting, one day, two day, one year, two years, three years.
So be strong, I am requesting you! These type of incidents are bound to be happen in your life. It’s a practical spirituality. See nothing has happened in the world. Entire world itself is illusion. No knowledge, what is knowledge? Realization, enlightenment, whom? You are already formless, just like a space or sky. Can you say Indian sky is realized and American sky is not realized? So try to absorb that knowledge within you. Only dry discussion, don’t expect anything. Even if you’ve got a lot of experience, all experience appear upon your Invisible Presence. It may be good progressive steps. Everybody have different, different experiences. In spiritual science these are three type of experience that appears. If your devotion is very strong, then three type of experiences happen. Darshana means to see the Masters or some gods also, some Lineage Masters also. This is darshana. Very, very strong experience, but it is not knowledge. It is a good sign. You are becoming nearer and nearer about the Reality. Then sparshana means touch. Sometimes you are getting touch. Then sambhashana means talk. I’ll tell you a great story that I already told you. That during the Bhausaheb Maharaj, Bhausaheb Maharaj left his body in 1914, at that time, at Bagevadi, you know Bagevadi? There’s a plague. You know plague?
V: Mmhhmm.
M: Plague disease, incurable disease in those days. Known plague. It is uh say, some racks; racks, racks. Plague, plague. It was very dangerous in those days. That one lady, her name is Hemabai. Maharaj, Bhausaheb Maharaj had left the body, thereafter she caught with this plague, and their practice is that when anybody contracted with such type of disease, instead of say spreading of the disease, they’re putting that lady, or whosoever, in the forest. And according to all the people who taken her to the forest and left her, at that time, she prayed Bhausaheb Maharaj, he was her Master. It is a rare story. And then, Bhausaheb Maharaj physically appeared before her and totally cured from all the disease, and then he said, “Go to the ashram at Bagevadi.” She says, “If I go to Bagevadi, people will say ‘It’s a ghost’, they’ll beat me”. He said, “Don’t worry, I will give darshana for you only. If there is a problem I will be there.” She went there, to appear, people says ‘It’s a ghost’, she says… See this is rare story of Reality. Nobody believe. Then there was some rooms are there, Bhausaheb Maharaj photograph was there. So she went inside, and people started, one person brought one prasada, “Give to Bhausaheb Maharaj”. Within no time that plate become completely cleared. Then somebody given some scent to give bath. So all these [inaudible]. So they realize. And at that time used to take and give bath to the Bhausaheb Maharaj, then Gurulingajangam Maharaj, and then Kadsiddheshwar Maharaj. The three stands are still there, if you go to Bagevadi, three stands are still there.
It can be happen, but this is not knowledge. Like that so many incidents are there. I am not insisting miracles. It is progressive steps, because your Presence taken form, what you feel. Therefore I say the Invisible Presence within you having strong power, but unfortunately we are counting ourself in body-form. Any unpleasant incidents happen in your life you are getting irritated, and insulted. It should not be there. It is a test of your spiritual knowledge. So, therefore, if the six symptoms appear within you, that means a sign of realization. And, for which, I am again repeating, you have to undergo strictly meditation.
I’m not here to solve your family problems. Some people says, “I don’t have any employment. I’ll get some service somewhere, service, please do something. My parents are sick, my daughter is not studying.” I am not here to solve all these problems. I’m talking strictly about the spirituality. Nisargadatta Maharaj says, “Except your Selfless Self there is no God, no Brahman, no Atman, no Paramatman.” Why don’t you accept this? Live like a Paramatman, Brahman, Ultimate Truth. You can use your body, but excessive use of our body, ego, intellect, mind, can create problem for you. Particularly ego is very dangerous. Everybody having subtle ego. They say well I am unable… anything goes wrong against you, you are getting irritated.
You have to take care. This is high time. This is a golden opportunity for you! What do we want in human life? Human life is uncertain, a lot of problems are there, but all this appear upon your Presence. If there’s no Presence, no problems are there; no ego, no intellects, no mind is there. And therefore, everything within you. Everything start from you, everything end within you. I am placing before you open secret. Brahman, Atman, Paramatman, God, Master, these are the words. The name is given to the Invisible Listener within you! It’s not separate from you. You can use your body, body is not ultimate truth. Along with body, ego, intellects, mind is there. They are not bad, but we are using excessively. Directly, indirectly, we are counting ourselves in body-form, and instantly that mind playing tricks against you, creating some doubts. Ego also there and intellects are there. They are good and they’re worst. Mind, ego, intellects they are very good and also very worst. Some or other day they will distract you from the Reality. There should not be any doubts. When Master says, “I am Brahman”, I am Brahman, there’s not any alternate. Master says, “You are Brahman, you are Ultimate Truth. You were not body, you are not body, you are not going to remain body. The Holder of the body is Ultimate Truth, Brahman.” These are not concepts, it is Reality, I am placing before you.
So if at all some ego is there, surrender it. Don’t be foreigner to that ego, intellect, mind. We have become victim of our own mind, ego, intellects. How to take other people, it’s up to you. Avoid struggle, there are different type of people are there. You are mature enough, you are not ordinary, you know better where you stand. And therefore, strong faith is most important! Strong faith within you and strong faith within the Masters. It’s open secret, nothing wrong with you. Only your confidence, trust most important. Complete faith is most important. You need not, not required to read any books. Not go anywhere, there should not be temptation to go anywhere. Not to search any masters. Master is within you, you are ignoring your own Master within you. So you are the cause and the consequence of this… concept. Entire world is an illusory world. I told you sometimes Shankaracharya says, “To say ‘I’ it is illusion, to say ‘You’ is also illusion, to say ‘Brahman’ also illusion, entire world is illusion.” What is true? Whose progress is required? Who wants progress? Who is the beneficiary of progress? Slow progress, no progress, ant ways, bird ways. What is ways? No ways is there. All this concept.
And for which I am trying to convince you. It’s okay, what people says. Ants way means devotion, bhatki, ect, ect. Birds way means direct knowledge. It’s okay. I say there is no ways at all. You are there and there only. Whose ways? What is the ways? You are at terminal. What is required? Therefore, be strong, spiritually; physically okay, but spiritually. This is high time. If some such type of concepts, irritated concepts appears that means something wrong with you. Don’t be insulted. Nobody can insult you. Don’t underestimate you. Do your job, do your duties. Forget it, forget the entire world. Different type of people are there. They may say, “He’s a good person, he’s a bad person, he’s a worse person.” This quality supposed to be appear within you.
So realization, enlightenment, it’s okay. The symptoms are there. If the symptoms appear within you it means you are not required to go anywhere. You’ll be fearless. There will be spontaneous peacefulness, happiness. No material cause is required for happiness and peacefulness. There are three types of material causes are there: publicity, money, and sex; publicity, money, and sex or desire. After knowing the reality, no need of all these things. You will have spontaneous happiness and peacefulness. Because your view will be totally changed about yourself. Your knowledge is not limited with the body. Just see, what is in body? Just glimpses of “I”. Just you see, sit alone. Who is in the body? Just glimpses of “I”. The moment that Presence disappear what is the value of this body? Nothing. But, that ego, intellects create problem for you, and you have to overcome all these things. From today onwards, no ego. Don’t feel insulted. If anybody insult you, if anybody try to divert you for some illusory concept, forget it. Nisargadatta Maharaj specifically says, “Not to come across with such people which will distract you from the Reality.” What he says? “Not to come across with such elements which will distract you from the Reality.” Everybody in time, walk of life. So many incidents happens. You may be anywhere in the world, some people appreciate you, some people depreciate you, insult you. Okay, because you are not counting yourself in body-form. So be firm. Human body is an opportunity for you, to identify yourself in real sense. We are identifying ourself in body-form and this is illusion.
So I think this is enough for you. So be practical, not theoretical. You may be having a lot of theoretical knowledge, that is meaningless. And for which I am insisting your base is supposed to be really strong, for which you are to undergo strictly meditation, involvement. Because all cards will be open, all Reality will be open within you. Because you are the source of all this knowledge. After knowing this, after realizing this, there won’t be any doubt. Complete silence is there. If anything happen around you, okay. You are very, very good. If such thing happens you will be feeling that you are the greatest and greatest, thee great. That greatness within you. And therefore Nisargadatta Maharaj says, “I am not making you disciple, I am making you Master.” What he says, “I am not making you disciple, I am making you Master”, because Masterly essence within you. But in spite of listening all these things some doubts are there. What knowledge more do you want? What is knowledge? Just to identify yourself in real sense. What we are identifying ourself as is illusion. Through which you are identifying is Reality. Just listen to me. Be calm and quiet. Enjoy. Enjoy silence. Nothing has happened. In dream somebody has insulted you, after awakening do you say “I will take revenge”?
You have to convince yourself. Ego, intellects, and mind is very, very crazy. They are pricking you from backside, trying to distract you from the Reality. Be alert. And for which all these things are required: ask for Bhajan, meditation, because always your keeping touch with your Selfless Self. I know it is illusion. Meditation also illusion, but a kind of alertness is there, because you are holding human body. Directly, indirectly, some concepts are there that may attack you at any moment. Through this meditation, through bhajan and all these things, you’ll get alertness. It always reminds: “I am Brahman, Brahman I am. I am Brahman, Brahman I am.” It creates some strong circle, so no thought will try to enter inside. Be aware. Nothing wrong with you. Don’t underestimate you. Don’t be any foreigner to your ego, intellects, mind. World is not bad, and not good also. Just try to understand. Be with you all the time. Nothing wrong. Peoples are coming and going, thoughts are coming and going, you are there and there only. Don’t disturb your stability. It happens, it’s test of your spiritual knowledge. It happens. Let come that happening, you’ll become strong and strong!
I think this is enough for today. So what I have told just remember it, try to absorb it, then you will see the results.
A powerful talk given by Sadguru Sri Ramakant Maharaj during the Guru Purnima celebration at Nashik Ashram July 7, 2018.
Maharaj: So, we are talking about spirituality. The importance of spirituality in human life. We are holding human life, human body. What is the importance of the spirituality in human life or human body? The basic concept is clear that body is not your identity at all. We are holding this body. What is there? Just glimpses of “I”, glimpses of “I”. Formless. There is no awareness, no unawareness. There is no experience, no experiencer. There is no witness, no witnesser. There is no seer, no seen. I am placing before you fact, your fact. What happened? When you are studying, listening spirituality, at that time we are having strong concept “I am somebody else”, form. The importance of spirituality is to dissolve this form. How to dissolve this form? For which basic thing, in our Lineage, we are giving Naam Mantra, called “Soham Sadhana”. What is the meaning of “Soham Sadhana”? Through that words indicates your Invisible Identity. It’s totally invisible, there is not any awareness, no witness, nothing is there. But, directly, indirectly, we are having some base “I am somebody else”, that should be melted. That is to be dissolved. It rarely happens, therefore first lesson in spirituality: follow Master, what He says. When Master says, “You are formless”, you are formless. It’s fact! How are you prior to beingness? No form is there. After leaving body no form is there. But you are not accepting this fact. This is the tragedy of human life. Master’s shouting, “You are formless! You are Ultimate Truth! You are Final Truth!”, but you are not accepting it. People says, “When will I realize? When will I get enlightenment?”, these are the words. As such there is no enlightenment, no realization. You are not single person, you are not individual. “Is X,Y,Z, realized?”, means what? That the form realized? Just like the Indian sky realized and American sky not realized? It’s not like that. What is the purpose behind that?
Through this meditation we are hammering our Self, we are hammering the Invisible Concentrator within you, “I am Brahman, Brahman I am. I am Brahman, Brahman I am”. Non-stop concentrating concentrator, then the entire thing will be melted. No layers of the illusory concepts remains. That’s what we want. Directly, indirectly we are counting our self in body form and that is illusion. It’s a fact! So just look at You! How you were prior to beingness? How you are after leaving the body? “I don’t know.” Your answer will be, “I don’t know”. “I don’t know” means that in a negative answer a positive reply is there. “I don’t know” means my Presence is there but I am not in any form. In that negative reply what it says, “I don’t know” means, I am there, invisible. So I am completely formless, the reply meaning, but it is very easy to understand literally. I am insisting practice. Do some practice. People having wrong impressions, “Oh I am realized, I know I am Brahman”. It is not so easy. You have to study it till that so called “I” dissolves, melts. Till that time you have to undergo meditation. I already told all of you meditation, bhajan also illusion, but to remove one illusion you have to take the help of another illusion. Just like I give the example, to remove one thorn you have to take the help of another thorn and throw it out.
But, our knowledge is having body-based concept, directly, indirectly we say, “I am somebody else”, either male or female. Male or female are external covers, it’s not your identity at all. So just try to identify yourself. The principle of spirituality in human life is try to identify yourself. How you were prior to beingness? How you are after leaving the body? No form is there, no concepts is there, no thoughts is there, no identity is there. That means everything came out of nothing, everything dissolves within nothing. Your Presence is Invisible, Unidentified, Anonymous, which cannot be guessed. You can use your body. Have your own responsibilities, take care of body, take care of your body, take care of your family, no harm. Spirituality is not a hindrance in the way of your family life, but at the same time try to identify yourself. “Who am I?” is the main question of everybody. “Who am I?” That question will be solved within you. Have the question, “Who am I?”, the reply is “I am That”, “So that I, I am”. That is “Soham Sadhana”. So it means, “I am Brahman, Brahman I am”. Brahman is also word, but it indicates Ultimate Truth that you are. How that Ultimate Truth is? No form, just like a space or sky. Space or sky does not have its own identity. Who says this is space, this is sky? Sky does not know “I am sky”. This reality is supposed to be absorbed totally within you. For which spirituality [help you]. Spirituality means not chanting Mantra, not saying “Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram”. Try to identify, “Who am I?”. Then the identifier itself will dissolve. No identity remains. No witness remains, no experience is there. That means where everything ends there you are. That reality is supposed to be absorbed. Therefore, I am insisting first lesson of spirituality is you have to undergo strictly meditation. Meditation is the most important. Without meditation theoretical knowledge will not help you. A lot of theoretical knowledge, I read this book.
So many persons are coming to me, “Last 50 years I’m doing some spirituality”, what are you doing spiritual? That means reading so many books and saying, “Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram” and doing some karma, some chakra is there, [another] chakra, this chakra, dharma, yoga… what is the use of all this, what is the use of this? Not to sit and torture your body. For identifying yourself not to sit and torture your body, because body is not your identity at all. Body is having death and birth, not you. The Holder of the body is totally free from all concepts. But our knowledge is within the circle of the concepts. You are to break that circle; and for which, after mediation you will get spontaneous courage to accept the Reality. We are having lack of confidence, no faith; no faith in yourself and no faith in Master. Whosoever your Master, have strong faith. My Master is Ultimate Truth and what my Master says is Ultimate Truth. Master says you are Ultimate Truth, I am Ultimate Truth. Master says you are Brahman, I am Brahman, no other thoughts. When this reality absorbs, this strong faith, nothing will remain.
So, therefore, try to identify yourself. I know that identifier and identifier, these are concepts, but we are talking something about spirituality we have to use of language. We have created language. We have given meaning to some words: this is “donkey”, this is “Brahman”, this is “Atman”. We have created words, given meaning, but through language we are trying to impress the Invisible Listener within you, that you are Ultimate Truth. So therefore, till you get Spontaneous Conviction, you have to undergo strictly meditation. Then meditation not sitting like this (Maharaj gestures “Jnana mudra”), meditation’s total involvement. When you are leaving this human body, when the Holder of the human body is leaving body, human body, Ultimate Truth for which is no specific identity. That reality. … are there, all relations, all desires, all concepts came along with the body and dissolve along with the body. Prior to beingness, no desire
is there, no karma is there; karma, dharma, all these concepts came afterwards; even mind, ego, intellect. My mind, my ego, my intellects, where are those prior to beingness? After leaving body mind is there, ego is there, intellect is there? Nothing is there. It’s not bad, but we are using excessively. Not to use excessive mind, ego, intellects. So far we are slave of our own mind, “Oh I don’t want to go against my own mind”. What is mind? Flow of thoughts. We are victim of our own thoughts. Try to go against, go against your mind. Intellects is not bad, ego also not bad, but we are using excessively; therefore, be alert.
Through human body you can identify, and you have got good capacity because of all the Lineage Masters. Focus: Except your Selfless Self there is no God, no Brahman, no Atman, no Paramatman, no Master. Nisargadatta Maharaj says, “Except your Selfless Self there is no God, no Brahman, no Atman, no Paramatman, no Master”. That reality is supposed to be absorbed. So, after knowing this reality why to go here and there to find out some Masters? Master is not separate from you. Not to count Master in any form, Master is formless. That reality is supposed to be absorbed; and therefore, spirituality is required.
Okay, any questions for anybody? I don’t think there will be any questions because it’s clear. So, don’t confuse it, “I want to realize, then I want enlightenment”, these are all concepts. No words are there, because entire world is illusionary world. [Inaudible] Shankaracharya, what he says, “To say ‘I’ it is an illusion, to say ‘You’ it is an illusion, to say ‘Brahman’ it is illusion; entire world is an illusion”. What more do you want? In an illusionary world God and Master also, illusion. It’s not bad, I am not blaming you, but except your Selfless Self nothing is there. Suppose, example is that in spirituality it is mentioned that if at all you want to compare, compare just like a space or sky. Space or sky does not have any specific identity. Which sky is realized, which sky is not realized? Sky does not know I am sky, space does not know I am space. Like that, your Invisible Anonymous Identity is beyond sky. Since we are counting our self in body form therefore we are separating our self.
So be with You all the time. You’ve got knowledge, but it should be implemented, it should be dissolved, it should be absorbed . [Unlayers?] supposed to be dissolved, [layers?] supposed to be absorbed. And to
absorb the reality you have to undergo strictly, in the beginning, meditation. You devote some half an hour, one hour, and all the time recite the Mantra. Then it is not necessary. Just like this body is called man, I am not saying, “I am man, I am man, I am man”. Like that the Holder of the body called “Brahman”. So you have to meditate “I am Brahman”, till you get Conviction. Then it is not necessary. You are living like a Brahman. Whatever happening, whatever not happening you are unconcerned, because all deeds and everything came along with the body. There is no deed, there is no doer. What karma is there? What is dharma? Dharma is nothing, it is also concept. In Bhagavad Gita Krishna says, “Discard all religions, religions imaginary. Through which you are identifying entire world, that Invisible Presence, bow down to Me”.
Various books, spiritual books it’s mentioned clearly, but only not to become bookish or literal knowledge, have practical knowledge. And human body is an golden opportunity for you. And then this Direct Knowledge I prepared for you, you have to accept it. Nothing in between, it’s not a theory. This is Listeners knowledge, Listeners reality. Invisible Listener is formless, that’s enough. After accepting this, nothing to do. There should not be any temptation to go anywhere to find out reality, because you are reality. But not to take the help of ego, human beings having ego, “I am somebody else”. That “somebody else” supposed to be dissolved. That’s enough for us. What more do you want?
Any questions for anybody else? Oh, Oh, good.
It is very simple. No complication, not to stress your mind, not to stress your brain. No intellects required, simple thing, but simple thing we make it complicated, because directly, indirectly we are counting ourself in body form. This concept supposed to be dissolved totally. And for which “Soham Sadhana”, meditation is the base to dissolve everything. Therefore in another language I say, “Soham Sadhana” , meditation is “anti-virus software”. Meditation means “anti-virus software”, you have to install it in your computer. All bugs will be dissolved.
Visitor : Maharaj.
M: Yes.
V: How is it possible to recite the Mantra while engaged in uh, activities that require attention, like studying or reading or speaking?
M: It happens spontaneously. So, this body called “Man”, are you saying “I am man, I am man, I am man”?
V: No
M: You are living as a man. The meaning of Mantra, “I am Brahman”. Till you get conviction, till that time you have to recite the Mantra. It become spontaneous. This body is given some name, we have accepted it, are you counting my name is “Jordan, Jordan”? No. So, some or other way you are counting yourself in body-form, therefore this question is there. You are not body, you were not body, you are not going to remain body. You do your job, do your duties, but when doing any duties, doing job are you repeating “I am man, woman”? That reality is there. Like that you are neither woman nor man, you are Brahman, Ultimate Truth. Why to remember it? In the beginning it is required. After having conviction nothing is required. So don’t separate yourself from the Ultimate Truth. You are Ultimate Truth. Now you are considering “I am somebody else, I am doing specific job, while doing this job how can I recite the Mantra”, it’s not like that.
V: But at the time when I, for example, when I am reading something I can not put my attention on the Mantra at the same time I am putting attention on the…
M: That “I am” is supposed to be dissolved! Your so called “I am” is the problem for you. There is no “I am”, “You are”, “He”, “She”, nothing is there. Just like you are not forgetting “I am a man”. While doing so are you forgetting “I am a man”?
V: No
M: Correct, then Master says, Master place Reality before you, that you are Brahman, why to forget it? I am doing something [what] so I will not have time, I find it difficult to accept this uh Mantra, meaning of the Mantra. It’s not like that. And Master says, “Except your Selfless Self nothing is there”. No Brahman is there. And therefore in the beginning I am insisting, no problem is there. So do your job, do your duties, but at the same time you can recite the Mantra inside, while traveling, the Mantra is going on inside spontaneously. In the beginning you will find it difficult, because long association with the body we are having so much attachment, so much close with our body identity. To dissolve body identity you have to undergo strictly meditation. Meditation means you are always hammering. You are hammering the Invisible Concentrator that “You are the Brahman, you are the Brahman”. Then I don’t need. It’s a fact. Because you forgot your identity this exercise is required in the beginning, not thereafter.
Correct. Don’t worry about it, Master will take care of all actions. Once Nisargadatta Maharaj said, “If you take drop of poison what are the consequences? You need not be thinking about the consequences.” Like that you have taken a drop of nectar: “You are Brahman”, it acts automatically inside. Don’t worry about it. All worries are because “I am somebody else”. You are not somebody, you are everybody. Because you are counting as individual therefore all this problem is there. I told you that body is not your identity at all. Prior to beinginess have you got any disturbance of thoughts? Just remember they’re thoughts. What are thoughts? They are flowing, it’s the nature of the mind. Let thoughts flow, don’t pay attention. In the beginning you’ll find it little bit difficult, I understand, but continue with the reciting Mantra.
V: So recite as much as, as I can remember?
M: Remember all the time. When the colored concept dissolves, at that time it will be spontaneous. So far some concept, body based concepts are there, some layers of body based concepts are there, this question will be arise. The moment that all layers dissolves, disappears, erased out of that Nama Mantra, no question will be there.
Nothing is there. I told you, everything came out of nothing everything dissolve within nothing. You are unknown to yourself. Prior to beingness you are not known to yourself. The unknown came into existence as known, then you say “I am”. Unknown came into existence as known, through body, then you say “I am”. Where was that “I am” prior to beingness? No “I am” is there, no “you are” is there. After leaving body any “I am” is there? Nothing. “I am”, “You are”, “He is”, “She is”, all these concepts came along with the body only. Prior to beingness there is any desire? Who want happiness? Who want peacefulness? Who want tension free life? Who want fearless life? So far you are considering body-form therefore all these concepts required. Prior to beingness nothing is required. You do not know what is happiness. After leaving body any happiness is there? All these are body-based concepts. This is a dead body. If there is no Spirit within the body what is the value of the body? Nothing. So have courage. To get courage meditation most important. I’m insisting, only dry discussions on spirituality are meaningless, be practical. In the beginning you have to do something; thereafter there is nothing to do. Because you are not doer, there is no deed.
In the beginning when you are learning any language, you are learning A, B, C, D, something, something, something, on purpose. Now it’s not required, purpose is known, because you are the master of that language, but start with the base for learning the language. Brahman is the base for learning language, after it is not necessary. So with various ways try to convince the Invisible Listener within you. Invisible Listener does not have any specific identity. It is vast just like a space or sky. Invisible Listener is not limited to the body, because it is formless. For which Spontaneous Conviction is most important. To get the Spontaneous Conviction you have to undergo strictly meditation. Don’t worry, all problems will be solved.
Okay yes, enough of it.
V: Thank you Master.
M: Take care, be happy, be realized, and make other realize. Siddharameshwar Maharaj says, “If you are realized make others realize. Place your carpet or mat and start teaching that you are Brahman yourself”. Accepting only Master is not so easy. When you are to become Master there is a lot responsibility. When anybody, devotees are coming to you having high expectations. No irritation is required. You know better about spirituality, how to place before this reality because the Invisible Listener is “I”, ask any question, you must have patience to convince them. For which you must have strong conviction. Any question maybe asked, you are able to reply that question, you are supposed to be able to convince to his satisfaction. Nothing difficult, and for which you need strong confidence with the Master and yourself. All these Lineage Masters, they’re not highly qualified. Nisargadatta Maharaj, Siddharameshwar Maharaj, Ranjit Maharaj, they’re not highly qualified, but whatever Master says they absorbed totally within them. They are not compromise with the devotion. Exceptional devotion they are having, “My Master is Ultimate Truth, my Master is Final Truth”. No other thoughts. People are saying, “I am to go to this master, to that master, to that master”. Why? This is adding confusion, confusion. When the Master says you are Ultimate Truth what more do you want? Number of people giving so many quotations, “This master says it like that, like that, like that. This master like…”, try to implement within you instead of giving quotations of the various Masters. Not to teach others, teach yourself. When you are giving some quotation of some other spiritual master it is not bad, it is also ego. I am giving lectures of this master, that master. Try to be Master with yourself. This very easy, giving quotations very easy.
Okay.
Sri Ramakant Maharaj
A powerful talk given by Sadguru Sri Ramakant Maharaj during the Guru Purnima celebration at Nashik Ashram July 7, 2018.
Q – How is it after dissolving all body knowledge, I will still be able to interact with human beings who believe themselves to be a body?
M – After dissolving the body knowledge, no identity remains, but since you are holding body, you are doing activities without any ego. At the final stage, though you are holding the body, and after realization, body-based concepts dissolve because you are not body, it is fact. When the fact is confirmed that I am not body at all, thereafter all your activities are just like a dream activity, as if you are acting in a drama.
So, there is no any ego, there is no any type of illusionary concept. You remain formless, all actions after realization are spontaneous. Where there is no ego, no intellect, no mind, because it is confirmed, it is convinced that “I am not body, I was not body”– so all activities are not having so much importance, egoistic importance, ok.
Q – Is true meditation the total negation or denial of any of all phenomena, including the Self? Will that lead to supreme wisdom? If yes, then its seems nothing needs to be done except deny everything.
M – After realization, no need of any meditation is required. Till you’ve got Conviction that – “I am not body”– till that time you have to undergo the meditation, number one. Second thing, as a matter of fact, human form is not your identity at all, that Conviction is supposed to appear.
So, all questions are related to the body-based questions. Basically, prior to Beingness, there were no questions, after leaving body, there won’t be questions, all our questions are guessing, guess questions, imaginary questions, illusory questions, so no questions remain after realization.
Realization means Conviction that I am not body at all, basically you are formless, human form is not your identity at all. So, all these questions: “what will happen after this human form after Realization?” nothing is going to happen because nothing has happened, nothing is going to happen. So, your birth and death this is also concept, illusionary concept, so not to accept this.
We are acting within the circle of the body knowledge, that is supposed to be broken-up. You are not body at all, that’s a fact, you have to accept it.
So, the basic principle of Spirituality, I repeatedly told you: that body form is not your identity at all, that Conviction is supposed to appear. This is Ultimate Truth: you were not body, you are not body, you are not going to remain body. So many questions are there, they are body related question.
So, after knowing the Reality, your actions or reactions, remain no value. Your actions are just like a spontaneous act because you are knowing that this is not, say, Ultimate Truth. Present body form is not Ultimate Truth, Ultimate Truth is beyond that where there is no experience, no experiencer, that is your Identity and for which you have to undergo meditation. Because if you don’t go under the meditation, illusionary concepts will not dissolve and then again and again the mind will play with you. It will create some problems, it will create some questions, it will create confusion within you.
So very simple thing: even if you think intellectually, body is not your identity at all. After leaving body what remains? Just think intellectually, forget about Spirituality. After leaving this body what remains? Any question remains? Any requirement is there? Any need of God is there? Any need of Master is there? You are not disciple, you are not Master, you are not God, you are not devotee, nothing is there. Nothing is there, prior to Beingness, what is there? Nothing is there.
So in between, that Spirit has taken form, human form and a number of questions, and through mind, ego, intellect, we are acting all the ways. All routine activities are going through the mind, ego, intellect, they are the functional organs during human form, so human form is not your identity at all, you are formless and since you are formless, there is no birth and death, it is very simple principle of Spirituality. You need not go to God and Master, Master is within you. External Master is inviting attention of the Invisible Master within you that except your Self nothing is there, it is fact.
But you are not accepting because of a long association with the body, you are acquainted with this body knowledge, so body knowledge is supposed to be dissolved, it is very simple thing. Spirituality is not complication, there is no complication. Because we have a lot of attachment to this body, we are thinking, considering body is our base and body is not your base at all. Some or other day you have to leave the body, prior to Beingness, prior to body knowledge, nothing was there. After leaving body what remains? No knowledge is there. Knowledge, Enlightenment, Realization, Conviction, God, Master, disciple, devotee, all this came along with the body.
Where are the Master and God prior to Beingness? Nothing was there, just simple, imagine it, prior to hundred years what is your status? Nothing. After leaving body, what is your status? Nothing is there. So everything came out of nothing, everything dissolves within nothing.
So, all questions are body related questions, intellectual questions, guess questions, logical questions. Where were all the questions prior to Beingness? Nothing is there.
And for which, again I am repeating, to know this Reality, to identify this Reality, you have to undergo meditation. Meditation will open all cards and you will yourself Self–Realize.
You will come to know, you are not to go anywhere, knowledge already within you, Reality already within you, Ultimate Truth is not separate from you, Master is not separate from you, God is not separate from you.
Since you are measuring yourself, counting yourself in body form, therefore you forgot all these memories. Master is reminding it, through meditation, through these words – “Aham Brahmasi, I am brahman”, reminding, hammering, “You Are Brahman, you are Brahman” – “I am Brahman, Brahman I am”. After having Conviction “Brahman I am”, then all body-based knowledge dissolves, nothing will remain.
What is there. Just you see, what is there? Blood is there, flesh is there, bones are there, what is there? And for which you say, “I am somebody else”. What is identification? Is body your identity? Not at all. Why there should be ego, why to struggle with the mind, why to struggle with the people? Okay, you can hold body, you can act from body, but have some Conviction, because everything is within you, everything starts from and everything end within you, you are central point of the world. Even Masters and everybody says, “Except your Selfless Self, nothing is there”. No God, no Master is there. Have some spontaneous Conviction. What is the purpose of Spirituality? Just to identify your Self in real sense. Ok.
M: Strong meditation is, where you forget your total body identity. There is no individuality. There is not any experience, no experiencer, you have become one with the Selfless Self. There is no any awareness, absence of consciousness, so you forget all the world when you are having strong meditation. Because the words given to you, you become with the same with words, what is the meaning of that word – ‘I am Brahman, Brahman I am’– so Brahman means Ultimate Truth. That means: body is not your identity at all, all these efforts we are doing to forget our body identity.
We are holding human form and human form is not our identity, that you know. We are having some time limit, age limit, after certain time we have to leave this body. So who is speaking from this body? Who is listening from this body? It is separate from this body identity. It is called Brahman, Atman, Paramatman, God, Master. But still, we have got attachment with the body, we are having body-based questions, concepts, and because of that strong attachment with the body, we are not able to accept the Reality.
What is Reality? You are separate from the body. Human form is not your identity at all. But, the Presence holding, the Presence I call Ultimate Truth, the Presence or Spirit holding the human body. In human body we are having a lot of suffering, unpleasant atmosphere, but that Spirit, that Presence, does not know what is good thing, bad thing, does not know blissfulness or peacefulness or any unpleasant atmosphere. The Spirit is just like space or sky. So, you must have Conviction, body form, body identity is not my identity at all, then only, you will be fearless, there is no death, no birth, there is no form.
Prior to Beingness we are formless, at present we are formless though we are holding body form. I am talking about the Invisible Presence within the body, that to have Conviction, or Realization, you have to undergo meditation. Through meditation you are hammering all the time – ‘I am Brahman, Brahman I am’ – because it is the nature of the Spirit: what you impress, it reflects, it accepts. For example, when so-called birth is there, our parents say, “you are male or female”, we accepted “I am male or female”. At that time, we are not knowing what is male or female, but our parents said this body called male, this body called female, we accepted that. Along with that, so many concepts were impressed upon us by our parents, by society members and by other family members. We accepted each and every concept and our life style is according to that concept.
So, so many concepts we have engraved, we have protected, we have accepted, those concepts are supposed to be dissolved, that is the main purpose. Because unless that, dry talking, dry reading of the books, approaching so many Masters, it is meaningless. Because everything starts from you, everything ends within you. Stop measuring yourself in body form, stop measuring yourself with illusionary concepts.
So not to count yourself in body form, because you are not body at all, that Reality is supposed to be accepted. Because you are not accepting, since childhood till today, we have accepted so many illusionary concepts and we are not ready to go out of these concepts. We are under the pressure of that vicious circle of various concepts.
So it is clear even if you think logically or intellectually, it is fact: this body is not your identity at all. Who is talking from this body, who is listening from this body? It is separate from the body identity, there is no form, just like space or sky, but we are not accepting it.
When you accept that Reality, then at certain stage, you will be thoughtless. Body identity will not remain, that is called strong meditation, where everything is forgotten, including yourself, entire world. Because entire world is projected out of your Presence, if there is no Presence within the body, who will talk about the world.
So, entire world, this illusionary world has taken birth because of your Presence only. So, main focus is your invisible Presence, unidentified Presence within the body. That Conviction is supposed to appear, you can read books, you can listen, but at the same time, try to digest that speech or digest what you have learned and listened. Try to accept it, try to have Conviction. Then only what you read, what you listened will materialize. Otherwise only listening is not sufficient, along with the listening, you have to continue the meditation.
Meditation means not only sitting idle, it is continuous reciting of the Mantra, Soham sadhana is given. According to breathing. When you’re sitting for meditation, fifteen minutes, twenty minutes, half hour, one hour, sit with full concentration. If you are not getting time, it is not bad, okay, you can recite the Mantra wherever you are, while walking, while eating, every time, you can recite the Mantra. Only reciting Mantra is not technical reciting, try to accept the Reality.
What is the meaning of Mantra? ‘I am Brahman, Brahman I am’. That meaning is supposed to be absorbed within you, without which only reciting Mantra will not materialize. So be serious, it is very simple, you need not to go read so many books, you are not to go to so many Masters. Your own Master, Spiritual Master within you is Ultimate Truth.
So, after meditation entire Truth will be open within you because you are central point of this world. World does not have any existence. World’s existence came along with your Presence. So, this world does not have its own aspects. Therefore, we are talking about the world, we are talking about relations: my father, my sister, my Master, my God- so many relations are there. All relations, all requirements, all needs came along with the body only and then they will be dissolved along with the body, disappear along with the body.
So therefore, body identity is having some time, limit age limit, it is not your identity at all, you are beyond that, beyond that, because you are totally formless and since you are formless, no birth, no death, you are UNBORN.
So, accept the Reality that is the most important thing, otherwise only listening, only reading books is not serving your purpose, Ok?
No confusion is there. It is plain and direct knowledge. Plain and direct knowledge. Plain and direct knowledge. Trying to use ego, intellect, mind, therefore confusion is there. So this knowledge means it is your own story. Issue of confusion never arises. I don’t want you, I don’t want any doubts within you. Come with open heart.
Q: He feels his thoughts like a bee buzzing. Bee that produce honey, like a buzzing. Buzzzz.
Just watch it. See a kind of cleaning process has started. Tenants are going out. Tenants are going out. They’ll not go simply, they will abuse you. You wanted them to vacate the premises. They are giving trouble for you. Good symptoms. Don’t allow them re-entry inside. You don’t have any doubts?
Q: No I do not have.
Don’t make any deliberate effort to know yourself. Don’t struggle with the thoughts. Whatever is happening, whatever is not happening, just glance and just watch it. When you observe the confusion you are beyond the confusion. Just you are sitting here something is happening outside are you giving any attention? So, in body something is happening or not happening. Watch it and just clear it. It is nature.
Q: How can he know that it is him the one who watches, not his mind?
Therefore you have to see all these things. If you are not watching, how can you come with all these words. ‘How can I?’ See entire thing whatever is happening or not happening you are realizing, seeing. Because you are experiencing some confusion is there, some struggle is there, experiencer is totally different from that trouble or confusion.
Q: He can not understand whether he watches or not, and some part of him always requires to fix this knowledge.
Don’t make deliberate effort. Why you want? You are separating from the Reality. ‘I want this, I want that.’ That ‘I’ is supposed to be dissolved totally.
Q: Looks like he understands. He has found the root that strangled him.
Q: Yes. This morning it was quite a strange feeling. The ‘I’ somehow separated from what I used to think was my ‘I’. It lost it’s properties, and was without any properties. Without time, without, without any properties. This ‘I’ was forever and it will be. There was no fear of death at that time.
M: Something is going on inside. Just observe it. Don’t concentrate ‘I’, don’t concentrate on what is happening. Don’t concentrate ‘I’, don’t concentrate on what is happening. That means you have to make some deliberate effort. Just be silent. See the fun. Whatever is happening, not happening, is upon you only. Just like a screen.
Q: If we recognize ourself with the help of this body, what is he going to know after the death of his body? If he does not manage to know himself during his lifespan, what is going on afterwards?
M: These are body based questions. Because at Ultimate stage there is no identity. ‘I am’, ‘you are’, ‘we are’, ‘what will happen to body?’, ‘what will happen to experience?’, ‘what will happen to experiencer?’, these are body based questions.
Q: After the death of the body the process of knowing, how will that go on?
M: How you are knowing? You do not know death, you do not know birth. During this lifetime you are knowing the terminology of death and birth.
Q: But the search happens during the lifetime.
M: Who wants this search? Who is searching and what does he want to have after the search? Again you are taking the body ego. Ultimate stage, nothing is there. All thinking process dissolves totally. ‘What will happen after death?’, ‘What was I prior to birth?’ these are the terminologies during this body form only. You are not knowing how you were prior to body knowledge. The moment this body disappears, who is saying what will happen to body? So whatever knowledge you listen that will be automatically absorbed within yourself.
Q: What is the process, what is it? If all knowledge is related only to the body, what is the process of transmitting this knowledge?
M: This is not a process at all. When you forgot your identity, just to indicate your identity, Ultimate Truth, this process of words, process of knowledge, is required. When there is conviction, so all these process disappear. You have address to reach Nashik Ashram. You are searching here and there, Nashik Ashram, where is it? During this time you are blindly following, yes this is correct. When you arrive at Nashik Ashram, the process is already over. You are not knowing the location of the Ashram, therefore you are searching here and there. You are asking questions of so many persons ‘where is the Ashram, where is the Ashram?’ like that. After reaching the destination, you are throwing away that address. Similarly all this process, thinking, knowledge and discussion is inviting attention of the invisible listener that behind everything your spontaneous Presence is there. All process is over. Ask if he has any doubts. Come, come.
Q: So he is not alive and he is not dead.
M: Why this question is? Who says ‘I am not alive, I am not dead?’ ‘I’ does not have any individual identity. Remove all the concepts. Just like sky does not have any individuality, similarly you do not have any individual identity. But, since you are covered with the body, therefore we feel ‘I am somebody else.’ Our thinking process on the basis of mind, intellect and ego. So, when all this mind, ego, intellect dissolves then nothing remains. Even ‘I’ does not remain at that last step. For discussion purposes we are using ‘I’, ‘we’, ‘you’, all these terminologies we are using. But, in that perfect, after ultimate stage, nothing remains.
Q: As soon as I have found ‘I’ without properties, you end it also.
Therefore importance of Naam Mantra is there. People say ‘I have got knowledge, so why should I undergo Naam Mantra?’ Apparently it’s OK. But, if you want to know yourself perfectly, if you want to identify perfectly, the process of Naam Mantra is most, most important. Because you might be having a lot of knowledge about Brahman, Atman, Paramatman, etc. But, it is not practical, it is just what you say dry, dry knowledge.
Q: Some people claim that they have practical knowledge without Naam Mantra. Some people claim it is enough to read Nisargadatta Maharaj books, to follow his instructions, and without Naam Mantra they claim they have found Absolute knowledge, Absolute State.
It is not, it’s a question of foundation, finding out or attaining that Ultimate State. Because certain discipline you have to observe. Because on the background that body based knowledge is there, hidden, body based knowledge is hidden inside. Unless this dissolves, whatever you are building on that, the building will collapse. That is the basic. So therefore without Naam Mantra, ‘I attain spirituality, or I have got knowledge.’ It’s OK. But it is giving only temporary relief. One should undergo this process, then only. I will tell you one instance of Mr. Pagay a great philosopher and a great politician. He was at that time say 65 or 70 years in age. He used to discuss with Maharaj philosophy, everyday, for about six months. He read so many philosophy books including Veda’s, Janeshwar, Tukarum, etc. One day he told Maharaj ‘I know your knowledge very well, but it is not impressed inside.’ Then Maharaj gave an example that you know tree is there. Tree is there hangs on the side of building, tree is hanging on some walls, tree, seed plants the tree. How it is coming through some close, crevice. So it is rooted through that closed crevice. So like that spiritual knowledge should be rooted through Master’s only. If you put the seeds of the tree, it is not planted anywhere. Like that Guru Mantra process is a must for initial stage. It makes a perfect foundation of your spiritual knowledge. Everybody is having different opinion. Nisargadatta Maharaj never insisted anyone, he may be foreigner or anything, taking Naam Mantra and be my disciple, never, never. Then that man told Maharaj ‘I want to have Guru Mantra.’ Therefore the importance of Guru Mantra is most, see, is very, very essential. It’s not all the time. If you have got devotion just like Ekalavya, it is not impossible also. So, casual reading,casual enlightenment it is not so easy. But, if you have total involvement, ‘Yes, I want to know!’ If you totally surrender to the Master, whosoever is Master. It is not to say, his presence may not be there, he may not be in existence. But, if your involvement is strong, it is also possible. That type of devotion rarely happens. There should not be any type of wavering mind. Therefore, I am not insisting anybody, so many persons are coming to me, I am not insisting ‘Take my Guru Mantra, be my disciple.’ Nothing. I am discussing with them all spiritual secrets, I am not keeping aside any secret, I am putting out all secrets. How it is impressed to him, that is up to him.
You can’t guess. ‘How I am’. ‘After death of body, what happens to me?’ Are you giving any thought when coming in this world? When Presence came into existence in body form, prior to that are you thinking what will happen? Just like a dream world. Seer’s reflection. Without your Presence you can’t see the world. This is ‘he’, ‘she’, ‘it’. Entire world is projected out of your spontaneous Presence. No death is there, no birth is there. To have this spontaneous conviction, again I am repeating, meditation is most important. Literally you are knowing, intellectually you’re knowing. Intellectual knowledge, literal knowledge. Knowledge is supposed to be spontaneous conviction. You are Reality, You are Reality. There is no knowledge, no knower. Unless body knowledge dissolves, we are not able to know ourself in a real sense. To dissolve the body knowledge, you have to undergo strict meditation. Not sitting like this. Know the Reality. Simple example, somebody abuses you, ‘I take revenge.’
Q: You can recite Mantra all the time?
Yes, Yes, you can recite the Mantra all the time. No restriction is there. Then it will be spontaneous. Example, you are Max. You are Max, no. Are you saying ‘I am Max, I am Max, I am Max.’ Thousand people call Max, ‘Oh, I am Max.’ That means that particular word, becomes close and close, there is no difference between Max and yourself. This body is called ‘Max’. You have got spontaneous conviction. Master says ‘You are Brahman.’ But you are not accepting that. You accept body knowledge, body name. This is called ‘hand’, this is called ‘fingers.’ Someone said this is fingers, same, they are something here. In your childhood, you are taught fingers. If taught different ‘Oh, no these are eyes, look at my eyes.’ So what you impress to the spirit, it accepted it. We have created the words, we have given the name to all of the words. Go deep and deep in your Selfless Self.
Q: Maharaj it appears the main problem is whom to trust? If oneself trusts his Guru, no problem at all. If oneself trusts somebody else, problem appears.
Trust your Selfless Self. Trust your Selfless Self. Because when you say Guru, to say Guru your Presence is required.
Q: My Guru is my Selfless Self.
Of course. If Selfless Self is not there, if Presence is not there, who will talk about the Guru and Master and God? Because you are unknown to you the form of the Guru is inviting attention that you are Ultimate Truth. Just like Lion and Lamb story. You are already Lion. You were brought up with some sheep and goats, therefore you say I am a goat and sheep. I leave you with the words of Nisargadatta Maharaj, very important words. Except your Selfless Self there is no God, no Brahman, no Atman, no Paramatman, no Master.
Q: But I do not except it literally.
It’s open fact. It’s open fact. To absorb this knowledge you have to undergo meditation. Concentration. You are not separate from Reality. You are Reality. Impression of the body is there ‘I am somebody else.’ Directly or indirectly you have strong impression of body. Therefore I am coming again and again to the same point. You were not body, you are not body, you are not going to remain body. It’s open fact. Prior to beingness you are formless, after leaving body you are formless. There won’t be any hell or heaven. You are master of your own. You are unknown to that Reality. Therefore you are shown, ‘You are Ultimate Truth’.
Q: So once you have established that ‘You Are That’ then the job is over.
It’s, not to say, it’s open truth. Only you are not accepting it because of the use of the body. It is Reality. Not to infer, not to intellectualize. Your Presence is Ultimate Truth, is Reality.
Q: So to reach this Reality.
Not to reach. You are Reality.
Q: You talked about that change inside Maharaj.
These are only sources.
Q: What I am asking is that without these things…..
But at that time you are posing yourself in body form.
Q: I am not posing….
When you have to think, you are making deliberate effort. ‘I am concentrating on myself very strongly.’ That means that myself is there in egoistic form. There is no ‘my self’ their is no ‘your self’, nothing is there.
Q: So Mantra is?
You say Aham Brahmasmi, these are only sources.
Q: I am Brahman.
I am Brahman like that, so it is like, I told you spirit is very sensitive. You are inviting attention of spirit ‘You are Ultimate Truth.’ Through Mantra, you are inviting meditator, that You are Ultimate Truth.
Q: How he can keep this quietness which he acquired in Nashik in his everyday life. Because now when he returns to his place he will be more and more involved in his working troubles, so on and so forth. What is your advice?
M: Working troubles?
Q: Yes. Working troubles and family troubles, everyday problems.
M: Concentrate meditation, what we discussed last time. All these troubles appear because you are having body. Body is related to relations. Bound to affect you. So, in the process of body life; good things and bad things are bound to happen. Good thing means what we tolerate, we say is a ‘good thing’. What you’re not tolerating is a ‘bad thing’. So, how to take this matter it is up to us only. How to take this external happening or not happening, it is up to us only. If you take very seriously, it will definitely trouble you. Take it lightly. So, same situation may not remain constantly. Handle everything very tactfully. Handle these things very tactfully. Handle the things tactfully. Handle the situation tactfully. So far you are involving with them, therefore they are troubling you. Because all of these are body based relations. When there was no touch with the body all these relations were not there. The moment the spirit disappears from the body, there is no relation at all. So, your spontaneous existence is beyond all these worldly effects. Behind everything your spontaneous Presence is there. All these unpleasant or pleasant veils appear on your spontaneous Presence. Not to give so much importance to whatever you are experiencing. Concentrate on your inner experiencer, inner master. These are temporary storms. Sometimes they raise, sometimes they dissolve. But you stick up with your spontaneous Presence. When we came across with this world? the moment we touch or click with the body. After knowing this secret, everything will disappear. So, in brief, body based knowledge, is troubling you. But your existence is beyond body. So see your spontaneous Presence. It is not touched by, there is not any touch of body based knowledge. It means you are totally separate from all this world and worldly things. Always remember you are Supreme. You are providing power, energy to all these external, all these internal elements. Just remain the observer. You have got Self Realization. Because you have got a very good spiritual background. Put it in action. Not to give so much importance, what is happening or not happening. Because you are there, family members are there, business is there, so many people are there, entire world is there. But, it is your reflection. So, don’t struggle with the words, don’t struggle with the ego, mind or intellect. Just only spectator. So, then entire unpleasant atmosphere will be subsidized. You have internal peace. You will have internal silence. So be strong.
Q: He compares you to wind which removes the clouds from the sky.
M: It is by the Grace of Master. I want to make you very, very strong so you can face any type of storm. Because behind everything your tremendous energy is there. I am brushing your memories. So, therefore I tell you ‘You are not a beggar, you are millionaire.’ So, you do not require anybody’s Grace. The moment you know yourself in a real sense, everything will disappear or dissolve. So, no internal or external difficulties will trouble you. Always remember you are strong man. If any difficulties try to attack you it will be totally dissolved externally.